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#1 papago

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Posted April 27 2017, 04:56 PM

Here is Bob McGinn's 2017 mock. He has been the most accurate the last 2 years





1. CLEVELAND BROWNS: Mitchell Trubisky, QB, North Carolina

Owner Jimmy Haslam intercedes at the 11th hour, deciding that a future with Cody Kessler and Brock Osweiler is like none at all. He made a comparable move with Johnny Manziel (No. 22) in 2014.

2. SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS: Myles Garrett, DE,Texas A&M

Neophyte GMs arent supposed to have it this easy. Having the scouts consensus choice as the best player in the draft fall into your lap isnt a bad way to start for John Lynch.

3. CHICAGO BEARS: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford

Joins DE Akiem Hicks and NT Eddie Goldman to give the Bears a defensive line rivaling the Vikings in the NFC North.

4. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama

New personnel czar Tom Coughlin feasted on first-round D-linemen in New York. His developing O-line isnt capable of fronting an offense built around Leonard Fournette.

5. TENNESSEE TITANS-a: O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama

Looking to trade down for additional picks. In conjunction with Delanie Walker, QB Marcus Mariota would have two major weapons at tight end.

6. NEW YORK JETS: Jamal Adams, S, Louisiana State

Former GM John Idzik didnt get it right in 2014 by taking SS Calvin Pryor at No. 18, two slots ahead of Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. Mike Maccagnan, his successor, tries strong safety again with Adams.



7. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State

SS Jahleel Addae is the Chargers only legitimate safety. Hooker, a free safety, should be an excellent match.

8. CAROLINA PANTHERS: Leonard Fournette, RB, Louisiana State

The Panthers got a lot of mileage from Jonathan Stewart (13th pick, 2008) but hes 30, entering his 10th year and nearing the end. Fournette gives GM Dave Gettleman all the speed he has been seeking.

9. CINCINNATI BENGALS: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama

Foster brings risk (medical, character), but the Bengals never have been been bashful in that department. A defense that was 31st overall and against the run just gained an identity.

10. BUFFALO BILLS: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State

The Bills lost No. 1 CB Stephon Gilmore to New England in free agency, starter Ronald Darby wasnt as effective in 2016 as he was in 15 and Kevon Seymour is untested.

11. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama

Heres another team desperate for help in the back end. The nominal starters at corner are Delvin Breaux and P.J. Williams.

12. CLEVELAND BROWNS-b: Christian McCaffrey, RB-WR, Stanford

Obviously, the Browns need it all. Their 30th-ranked offense just got better.

13. ARIZONA CARDINALS: Haason Reddick, ILB, Temple

QB Patrick Mahomes was a possibility but in the end GM Steve Keim opts for an ILB. He can apprentice under Karlos Dansby for a year before taking over the defense.

14. PHILADELPHIA EAGLES-c: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State

Accused of sexual assault at mid-week, Conley made a strong denial Wednesday. In a Journal Sentinel poll of four teams that investigated the incident, two said Conley still would be taken in the first round, one said second round and one indicated hed fall outside the top 100.

15. INDIANAPOLIS COLTS: Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida

RB Dalvin Cook would fit, too. Davis instantly becomes the heart and soul of what was a 30th-ranked defense.

16. BALTIMORE RAVENS: Cam Robinson, T, Alabama

The Ravens took a big hit in March when former Badger RT Ricky Wagner departed for Detroit. Robinson is the Ravens No. 1-ranked O-lineman and GM Ozzie Newsome is an old Alabamaguy.

17. WASHINGTON REDSKINS: Takk McKinley, OLB, UCLA

The Redskins ranked 32rd in third-down defense and were an average rush team. Theyll have to wait until August or September for McKinley, who underwent shoulder surgery after the combine.

18. TENNESSEE TITANS: John Ross, WR, Washington

Speed outside is a major issue in Nashville. WRs Rishard Matthews and Tajae Sharpe arent burners and there is no capable third on the roster.

19. TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State

RB Doug Martin is in substance-abuse rehabilitation and might be finished. The backups lack appeal, and the Glazer family isnt the least bit averse to rolling the dice on character.

20. DENVER BRONCOS: Ryan Ramczyk, T, Wisconsin

GM John Elway has a big problem that wont go away without immediate action. Both Menelik Watson and Donald Stephenson are considered more RTs, leaving a void at LT.

21. DETROIT LIONS: Jabrill Peppers, S-RB, Michigan

SS Tavon Wilson is ordinary, which Peppers isnt. Hell bring pizzazz on defense, offense and special teams.

22. MIAMI DOLPHINS: Adoree Jackson, CB, Southern California

The Dolphins would prefer an inside linebacker or defensive end but select Jackson, the best defensive player left on the board.

23. NEW YORK GIANTS: Garett Bolles, T, Utah

Coach Ben McAdoo has keen interest in Mahomes. Still, the Giants have belief in Bolles, a one-year wonder with the best feet in the draft. Hell man the left side so Ereck Flowers can move to a more suitable berth at RT.

24. OAKLAND RAIDERS: Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vanderbilt

Cunningham isnt your typical rock em, sock em, Raiders type of middle backer. Hes a sleek coverage-type LB more in keeping with the modern game, which GM Reggie McKenzie notes.

25. HOUSTON TEXANS: Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech

If Mahomes lasts this long coach Bill OBrien might do a jig. Theyd be staring at 0-16 if Tom Savage were to be the starter.

26. SEATTLE SEAHAWKS: Forrest Lamp, G, Western Kentucky

The plan probably is to take Lamp, install him immediately at RG and move second-year RG Germain Ifedi to RT. Few of the many O-line moves made by coach Pete Carroll and GM John Schneider worked. Maybe this will.

27. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan

The Chiefs need a RB and a QB but elect not to do it here. Instead, they get a power player to team with Jeremy Maclin.

28. DALLAS COWBOYS: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri

Pass-rushing DEs Greg Hardy, DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory all came up short. Benson Mayowa, their leading sacker, led the team with six.

29. GREEN BAY PACKERS: Kevin King, CB, Washington

If the draft breaks like this, Ted Thompson will have to choose between King, TreDavious White and OLB T.J. Watt. The Packers love King, and cornerback trumps all their other needs.

30. PITTSBURGH STEELERS: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

Martavis Bryant is back on a conditional return from suspension but GM Kevin Colbert cant count on him.

31. ATLANTA FALCONS: TreDavious White, CB, Louisiana State

Like Green Bay, the Falcons have a void at RG. Temples Dion Dawkins could factor here. So, too, might DL Malik McDowell, the consummate boom-or-bust prospect.

32. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS-d: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

Drew Brees, 38, enters his 17th season. If the Saints dont draft Watson, its possible another team will move up and do it.

a From Rams in 2016 draft-day trade for the top pick that was used to select QB Jared Goff.

b From Eagles for in 2016 draft-day for the second pick that was used to select QB Carson Wentz.

c From Vikings in Sept. 3 trade for QB Sam Bradford.

d From Patriots in March 10 trade for WR Brandin Cook

#2 papago

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Posted April 27 2017, 05:19 PM

A corner or pass rusher for GB.

Kevin King, would be nice Awuzi, Wilson. Marlon Humphrey. Maybe Conley.

TJ Watt represents the Packers first potential chance to be a Packer pure bred. Jerry Tagge went to Green Bay West HS but then to Nebraska before being the Packers first pick. No one has grown up in Wisconsin gone to Wisconsin and been first pick. Mark Tauscher was a 7 th rounder. Not sure I want Harris or Barnett.

From a football standpoint, Joe Mixon. I have no clue if he just fucked up or if that is who he is. Not sure about Cook. Willing to wait till later rounds on this one.


But if everyone decides to go searching for LB, QB, CB and let a TE slip or a Cody Davis well,

I like scoring

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Posted April 27 2017, 07:25 PM

That is a steep price for a QB.

Both teams are going to watch this one for better or worse.

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Posted April 28 2017, 09:30 AM

If TJ Watt is a star TT will be disowned in Packerland.

I have no idea if he will be or not. Obviously, TT didn't think he or Foster were a better choice than trading back.

IF Kizer of Webb is what someone wants I am sure TT will listen. The rumor here is the Cards want Kizer.

13 spots back I don't think is acceptable, unless somehow the Packers can double back and get 2 swings in the first 13 picks.

A rb and a Cb

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Posted April 28 2017, 11:08 AM

Redskins hit a home run with their pick getting the best D-lineman in the draft at 17



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Posted April 28 2017, 11:31 AM

Did this dude even get one right???  I know this was a very unpredictable draft, but geesh,.... draft expert my ass.



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Posted April 28 2017, 12:58 PM

I like the JT Watt pick. People will ding the Steelers for the pick bc he projected as a 2nd rounder but he would have been gone before the Steelers 2nd round pick @ 60. They needed an edge pass rusher and they got a guy with good skills, football smarts, versatility, and pedigree. The only knock I saw on him is he's not considered a fast twitch athlete. But he played well against legitimate competition at Wisconsin.
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Posted April 28 2017, 04:04 PM

Did this dude even get one right???  I know this was a very unpredictable draft, but geesh,.... draft expert my ass.

It is actually scored by how many out of top 100.

After the Bears made that trade even Mayock threw his arms up and said I am wrong all night long.

And yes he did.

Think about this.

Who else had The top two correct? Everyone else had Garrett and Thomas, Allen, or Adams.

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Posted April 28 2017, 04:05 PM

I like the JT Watt pick. People will ding the Steelers for the pick bc he projected as a 2nd rounder but he would have been gone before the Steelers 2nd round pick @ 60. They needed an edge pass rusher and they got a guy with good skills, football smarts, versatility, and pedigree. The only knock I saw on him is he's not considered a fast twitch athlete. But he played well against legitimate competition at Wisconsin.


He switched positions and was hurt in previous years.

CMIII was much the same.

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Posted April 28 2017, 06:57 PM

Curtis Samuel is a Ted Ginn upgrade.

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Posted April 28 2017, 07:18 PM

He switched positions and was hurt in previous years.

CMIII was much the same.

I'm not worried about the position switch - shows his athleticism and willingness to adapt.  I'm confident that Keith Butler will be able to bring him up to speed on how to play OLB in the 3-4 scheme.  

 

Injuries happen to just about everyone in the game.  Hopefully, he's tough like his big brother JJ.


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Lon (Kansa City, Mo.): I'm a transplanted 'Burgh boy living in Kansas City. My wife was pregnant with my oldest son when the Steelers drafted an undersized former QB from Georgia with their (compensatory) 3rd round round draft pick in 1998. Now, just days ago sitting here with my almost 14-year-old son watching Hines give his retirement speech...couldn't help but think how fast time flies when you're having fun. Thanks Hines for everything! We will miss your tough catches for first downs when we needed them most, your crushing blocks that had linebackers complaining about rough treatment from WRs, and above all, your smile! You're the consummate football player, pro, and thankfully, Steeler for life! Black and Gold forever!

Nick (Cleveland): As a Browns fan, my memories of Hines Ward will always be his [expletive] smile. There were so many times I wish someone on my beloved Browns could slap it off his face, but we never did. Now that he is retired, I can see myself always referring back to that smile. He was one of the greatest complete wide receivers I had the displeaure of watching bury my Browns year after year in his storied career. Glad to see him go out on a high note. Take care Hines! IMO, a sure fire Hall of Famer.

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Posted April 28 2017, 07:20 PM

Curtis Samuel is a Ted Ginn upgrade.

 

I really wanted to like Ginn.  He was a deep threat a defense had to be concerned with, except for the fact he could drop any pass thrown his way.  It was like flipping a coin when he was open as to whether he would pull it in or not.

 

Samuel should get some opportunities.  And he could get some carries in end-arounds, which fits his background pretty well.



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Posted April 28 2017, 10:05 PM

I really wanted to like Ginn.  He was a deep threat a defense had to be concerned with, except for the fact he could drop any pass thrown his way.  It was like flipping a coin when he was open as to whether he would pull it in or not.
 
Samuel should get some opportunities.  And he could get some carries in end-arounds, which fits his background pretty well.

He might be A back also. Now you could move McCaffery or he out or into the backfield. Let's you go no huddle and keep teams from subbing to match up.

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Posted April 29 2017, 07:23 AM

I like what Carolina did. That lets them dictate match ups instead of the opposite. Power and the ability to open it up at your own pace. No huddle this team is going to be hard to stop.

Cleveland got good value at positions of need. With so many picks they were able to even give up the first 2 picks on Friday and Saturday and still draft quantities with quality.

Those two picks from Cleveland changed the Packer Draft. Th Packers are bigger and faster on the back end. 3 different players not on the roster a year ago are now matchup possibilities with both Julio and Dez. That is a far cry from 3 undrafted free agents who didn't play CB in college. Bigger and faster is what the Packers are looking for. King is 6'3", Jones 6'1", House is 6'1. It is possible you will see 7 db's on the field with 2 lb and 2 linemen. Burnett and Jones would be the ILB.

Josh Jones is the Packers version of Deon Buchanan and Thomas Davis.

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Posted April 30 2017, 08:06 AM

Purportedly the Packers almost traded Brett Hundley before the second round.  The reason that is interesting is that there was also a report at that time the Packers were interested in Kizer at the top of the second round.  At that time it seemed to be nothing more than a teaser to get action for a trade of the pick.  Hundley is entering his 3rd year so shopping him now is somewhat odd, unless one does some math.  Rodgers is 33, kisser 4 years down the road could have represented another QB transition in Green Bay.  The Packers would will lose control of Hundley  before Rodgers is ready to be replaced.m  I do think that someone is likely to give Hundley a shot somewhere down the road.

 

Mean while back in the desert,  the Cardinals are applauded for a draft that leaves them with a 37 year old QB with no future prospect behind him.

 

The best time to go looking for a QB is when you don't need one.  In many ways the Browns and Niners should be applauded for sticking to their guns and not over reaching, drastically, for a QB.






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